Eva Balogh will most certainly appreciate, since chance for
misinterpretation of what I had stated is lessened, that her fleeting
reference to my soc.culture.magyar is reproduced below in full.

There is but one thing to add: Freedomfighters of the 1956
Hungarian Revolution can be seen as making the TIME
Cover "Man of the Year" of  1956 at:

http://www.siliconvalley.com/magyar.html

==my scm posting reproduced here=======
English-speaking readers of this list may need to be advised of the
well-documented fact that "Eva S. Balogh" is a pathological liar whose
false accusations and anti-Hungarian hate-mongering deserves
zero credibility. Proof:

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>Only a few days ago BLA electronic news service reported the findings of the
>Hungarian Gallup Institute concerning antisemitism in Hungary on the basis
>of voting patterns. The results are as follows. The question inquired about
>"dislike of Jews," "nem kedveli a zsidokat." The list is as follows. KFGP
>voters = 12%; KDNP voters = 11%, MSZD voters = 7%; MDF voters = 6%;
>FIDESZ voters = 6%;l SZDSZ voters = 4%. One's first reaction is: that's not
>too bad. But then add up these percentages to get the reaction of all voters:
>it is 46%.

English-speaking readers with reasonable skills of elementary school math
detect that in her blatant anti-Hungarian zeal to smear Hungarians with the
false accusation of rampant anti-semitism, she does not even refrain from
stupid mathematical forgery (as the 46% she claims is mathematically erroneous;
based on the numbers quoted the figure could not be higher than 12% and
can be as low as 4%).

Once Eva Balogh went public with such a blatantly untrue accusation against
Hungarians at large, one is fully justified to ponder on her motifs to do so.

The following proves that she harbors hatred agains Hungarians.

(1) Although she claims to be a "historian" went consistently public with the
outrageous anti-Hungarian defamation that the 1956 Revolution and Freedom-
Fight is NOT (I repeat, she stated NOT) called in Hungarian "Freedom Fight"!
I took the time to specifically document at least 41 cases to dispell her
flabbergasting lie that the entire Free World holds to be untrue.

(2) She repeatedly claims on various lists of Internet that she is of fully
mixed
heritage, and never claims specific Hungarian identity, and appears to be proud
of excluding ANY Jewish ancestry on her part.  Thus, her judgement and
autenticity
of "antisemitism" is highly questionable. This is reinforced by the
expressed restraint
of Jews joining her zealous anti-Hungarian hate-mongering, as moderate Jews
loyal
to Hungary know full well that her excesses would be highly decrimental to
their own interest -- even if her outrageous lies were true. In fact, Eva
Balogh not
once vented her frustration on Internet that Hungarian Jews are not
supportive enough
of her verbal abuse of Hungary and Hungarians. Quite likely, moderate Hungarian
Jews themselves consider her a mindless, stupid provocator (at least one
Hungarian
Jew -who has died since- in fact called her activities stemming from her
antisemitism).

(3) Eva Balogh is extremely incompetent judging matters relating not only to
Hungarian, but also to Jewish identity. Just a few days ago, she made the
written, unbelievably stupid statement in the Internet-list HIX-Forum
(written in the Hungarian language), that "Passover is Easter"!  It is proven
beyond reasonable doubt, that Eva Balogh deserves no credibility at all either
in Christian or Jewish matters, since she is ignorant in one, or in the other,
or (most likely) in both.

(4) It is highly suspicious that Eva Balogh heats up her anti-Hungarian hate-
mongering precisely at the time when Ilona Stolmar reports on the fact that
Gabor Elek published in scm, without any permission, a private letter of Ilona
Stolmar, invading her privacy, moreover the letter she claims was obtained
by the US federal crime of breaking into a computer in her household. Who else
but an accomplice in the crime of breaking into a computer would mindlessly
handwave with false accusations, disregarding any harm that she inflicts on
moderate Jews loyal to Hungary?

(5) The frequency and seriousness of offenses against Hungarian Christianity
must be alarming to everyone. In fact, even in this list, when Minister of
Hungarian Protestant Church of San Francisco and Neighborhood Jeno
Katona published a political proclamation, he was descpicably attacked and
verbally abused in front of all of us -- and in spite of expressed demand to
remedy the offense, the offender did not even reveal its identity. When such
severe offenses are committed day by day, it is not only the right but the
duty of victims to contemplate, and QUESTION the identity (or lack of) the
offenders.
==end of quote of my scm posting==

Peter I. Hidas wrote:
>Jewish presence in 9th and 10th century Hungary is probable but not certain.
>After coming to Hungary, the Kabars lived in Bihar County, in the
>northeastern parts of Hungary, as the Kabars had settled along and east of
>the Tisza River.

You can not support this with sources because there isn't any on it. This
is true to most of your references: they are interpretations, and I don't
believe to them, I believe only to my eyes. It also does not improve my
mood that you quoted such fictiuos sources as Koestler for example (I think
highly of him as writer, but his historical work was on the level of the
Daco-roman continuity and Grater Moravia theory)

>Hebrew letters and signs were found near Pecs at Kozar village(Kiss).

There is no village called anything similar to Kazar or Kozar near to
Pecs. You may find however several villages with such names in Nograd.

Tamas

>There is no village called anything similar to Kazar or Kozar near to
>Pecs. You may find however several villages with such names in Nograd.
>
>Tamas
 Kozar puszta is in Vas county near Nagy-Genes.
Kis-Kozar is in Baranya, Nagy Kozar, also in Baranya, near Pecs.

Peter I. Hidas

Hungarian Studies
Department Of Russian and Slavic Studies
McGill University
Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Re ur request for Italian toast, how about:

Noi tutti brindiamo a nome duo con i piu cari auguri ti tanta salute e lunga
vita, di buon pensionato

We propose a toast in your name with best wishes of good health, long life,
and a (good) pleasant retirement.

Hope this helps.
Aniko

>

In article >, "Johanne L. Tournier"
> writes:

>No, Paolo Agostini is indeed an Italian name. I am not sure what the
>Portugese version of the name would be - maybe someone else on the List
>knows - but I am pretty sure it would be different than the Italian.
>
>TTFN :-)
>
>Johanne
>
>e-mail - 

If Sao Paulo is any indication, it ain't Paolo in Portugal or Brazil. In
Spanish, it's Pablo. In Catala, Pau. Maybe he's Romanian.
Sam Stowe

I have a service where via internet I can send a form to Slovakia or
Hungary
 and my contacts there will search for relatives.
   Let me know if you are interested and I will mail you the instructions
and
 form.

 Gilbert Geras - 
  Homepage: http://www.iarelative.com/geras.htm
  Slovakia/Hungary Family Searches

Dear All,

I hope that someone can help me.  I need some help with
Genealogical Research in Hungary and hope that someone can help
me.  If so please contact me at   Thank
you.  Regards.  James.

In article >,  (Stowewrite)
says:
>
>In article >, "Johanne L. Tournier"
> writes:
>
>>No, Paolo Agostini is indeed an Italian name. I am not sure what the
>>Portugese version of the name would be - maybe someone else on the List
>>knows - but I am pretty sure it would be different than the Italian.
>
>If Sao Paulo is any indication, it ain't Paolo in Portugal or Brazil. In
>Spanish, it's Pablo. In Catala, Pau. Maybe he's Romanian.
>Sam Stowe
>
Thanks for the replies. I was just wondering because I recalled a
motorcycle racing champion (of some decades back) with the name Agostini.

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The Portuguese name is Paulo Agostino.

jim.


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James D. Doepp
Department of Economic Theory
University of Miskolc (Hungary)




  By meanes whereof, they became lazie and slothfull in their dayly
endevours, even like to our Citizens; not minding or medling with
their wonted affaires: but, as a waiting for death every houre,
imployed all their paines, not in caring any way for themselves, their
cattle, or gathering the fruits of the earth, or any of their
accustomed labours; but rather wasted and consumed, even such as
were for their instant sustenance.

Boccaccio, _The Decameron_


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