In article >,  (sodrem) wrote:


> Nem tudom, ki hogy van vele, de altalaban az ember nem rohan haza itt a 
> messzisegben (vagy akar otthon is) hogy lekapja a verses kotetett a
> polcrol. Az elet manapsag sokkal gyorsabban zajlik, mint valaha is. Igy
> reszemrol, boldogan olvastam az "ekezetek nelkul, ronda szamitogepbetukkel"
> leirt verset Jozsef Attilatol - - - es ma este elofogom venni a 
> "szepkiallitasu verseskotetemet" hogy ujbol elolvassam. Oszinten szolva,
> kulonben nem jutott volna az eszembe. 

en peddig mivel nem elegge ismerem a magyar koltoket, igy kicsit
megismerem. meg az is lehet hogy mivel megismerem es tetszik, meg fogok
probalni valahol verses koteteket talalni meg ilyemi. 

szoval szerintem johetnek a versek. jozsef attila veletlenul nekem is van
de az az egyetlen akit eleg jol ismerek. 

jozsef attila rules!

ef

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I'm trying to assit a friend of mine, Todd Warger, in making a connection
with the European branches his family. His great-grandfather emigrated to
the US from the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1894. He's not sure what part
of the Empire his relative came from; the naturalization papers have
conflicting information on them.

He belives that the family name was Varga or Vargo. His
great-grandfather's birthplace is reported as Csepel on some papers, and
Circi on others. He can't locate either name on any maps -- although I've
determined that there's a Csepel Island south of Budapest.

Any assistance would be appreciated. Todd would also like to know what
resources/offices/archives there might be in the Czech or Slovak
Republics, or in Hungary, that might be able to assist him in his search.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin Tripp

Yes, in the Ballard Backstage theatre (Market St. & 22nd NW corner)
on March 18, at 8 PM. Admission $14.50 in advance, $16 on the scene.

This is their 2nd Seattle appearance and judging from their success
from the first, this one should be even a greater one.
Be there if you can.

Joe Pannon

On Thu, 14 Mar 1996, Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> Meg tudna valaki mondani, hogy mi az ertelme Jozsef Attila verseket olvasni 
> ekezetek nelkul, ronda szamitogepbetukkel amikor mind megjelentek 
> szepkiallitasu verseskotetekben?

 Korulbelul ugyanannyi, mint mondjuk Magyarorszagi fenykepeket nezni 
ronda szamitogepes felbontasban, noha eppenseggel az eredetiben is 
lathato ;-(...

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In article >, Ren\i > wrote:
>I have really no idea
>
>
>
Well, we are clueless too.

In article >, invullen > says:
>
>Ok, Ok, chill out!
>
>Flanders is the northern part of Belgium (where the Vlaams live), 
>Wallonia is the southern part and Brussels is in the middle. Everyone 
>fights with each other (only in words though, although many direction 
>signs with the city name in both languages -that is french and dutch- 
>have been spraypainted out by a group of kids who speak the other 
>language). Makes driving hard!!!
>
>Each area has lots of separate rights; really like two countries in a 
>way. Maybe a model (even with all of its problems) for other countries to 
>follow. Hey, attach me for being a separatist!
>
>Could we have a Belgium model for Romania?
>
>Misi

Hey Misi!

*Only in words*, huh? I lived in Belgium, on and off, for a few years
(in and around Tongeren, just north of Liege and west of Maastricht)
some time ago and can tell you that Flemings and Walloons sometimes
resort to fisticuffs, or worse!

BTW my reply to your e-mail (about *reserved tables* in blh) bounced 
back undelivered. Is your e-mail address okay?

Groeten uit Engeland!

Regards,

George

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In article >, invullen  > wrote:
>
>Flanders is the northern part of Belgium (where the Vlaams live), 

As I suspected.  Yet the OMRI news item I commented on was mentioning
Flanders as an independent, sovereign country.  On what basis, I don't
know.

Joe

Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>
>1. Sosem voltam hatalmon, sot... , megis sikerult rohogni sok marhasagon.

Me'g jo!

>2.-3. Nem kaptam valaszt. Tessek szives lenni valaszolni megha trivialis is. 
>Nekem nem az.
>+4. Mar megint ezek a hasonszoruek. Hol vannak? Meg nem talalkoztam egyetlen 
>hasonszoruvel sem.

Nem baj, Peter, ez kodolva van.  Akiknek szol, azok megertik.

PJ

It came to my attention, that the Hungarian word "gazda" and all its
derivatives (gazdalkodik, gazdasag, etc.) are also used in Slovak.
Can somebody tell me the etymology of this word?  Outside of Slovak, I
haven't seen it in other Slavic languages.  Even the Czechs use the word
"safar" (safarkodik?) to describe the same thing.  So I wonder if the
Slovaks took the word "gazda" from Hungarian.  I have a feeling that it
may have an old Turkic origin though.

While at it, I also got curious about the etymology of "safar".  It is
still used in Hungarian, but it sounds old-fashioned ("rosszul
safarkidott") now. 

Thanks,
Joe Pannon

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 wrote:
> 
> It came to my attention, that the Hungarian word "gazda" and all its
> derivatives (gazdalkodik, gazdasag, etc.) are also used in Slovak.
> Can somebody tell me the etymology of this word?  Outside of Slovak, I
> haven't seen it in other Slavic languages.  Even the Czechs use the word
> "safar" (safarkodik?) to describe the same thing.  So I wonder if the
> Slovaks took the word "gazda" from Hungarian.  I have a feeling that it
> may have an old Turkic origin though.
> 
> While at it, I also got curious about the etymology of "safar".  It is
> still used in Hungarian, but it sounds old-fashioned ("rosszul
> safarkidott") now.
> 
> Thanks,
> Joe PannonDear Joe:

Alas, on the etymological history of the the two words you've mentioned, 
I cannot comment. Gardonyi Geza in his Egri csillagok wrote: "... Torok 
Balintnak deakja, safarja, hadnagya." As a youngster, growing up in the 
countryside (on a tanya) of Szabolcs (Nyirseg) I used to hear "gazda" 
used in its primary sense "paraszt". But in that sense it was applied, in 
the first place, to the well-t-do, respaectable farmers. By the way, in 
Serbo croation usage "gazda" means "boss, foreman". Since the word is 
present in Slovakian and Serbo-Croation, we could conjecture that indeed 
it is "magyar" and was borrowed by the "two neighbors". The third person 
past-tense for "safarkodni" should be "safarkodott" instead of "rosszul 
safirkodott". Yes, it sounds pretty old fashioned today. Although, just 
before I left home, it was beginning to acquire a new and 
derogative connotation, similar to "kupeckedik" (as if ugyeskedik, 
seftenkedik, kereskedik, add-vesz, kupeckedik, were rolled into one word)
Sincerely, Laszlo Horvath