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1 Re: Air pollution (mind)  32 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: question from an outsider. (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)
3 ekezet-beutes (elotte Re: Mi ez...) (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: Air pollution (mind)  58 sor     (cikkei)
5 SZALAMI (mind)  18 sor     (cikkei)
6 Re: question from an outsider. (mind)  23 sor     (cikkei)
7 Re: question from an outsider. (mind)  47 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: question from an outsider. (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
9 Magyar konyha - porkolt (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
10 Re: Mi ez... (mind)  13 sor     (cikkei)
11 Judo (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Fekete lyuk (was: two words translated, please) (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: re. the question of using pen names (mind)  21 sor     (cikkei)
14 Re: Mi ez... (mind)  36 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Vlasi (was: Re: Re:Nestor & Vlachs I) (mind)  40 sor     (cikkei)

+ - Re: Air pollution (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 9 Jul 1995, Jun Miyamoto wrote:

> Date: 9 JUL 1995 23:28:23 GMT 
> From: Jun Miyamoto >
> Newgroups: soc.culture.magyar
> Subject: Air pollution 
> 
> 
> 
> When I was in Budapest, I noticed air is quite dirty in
> the city. What is causing this pollution? Is that because
> they use different gas for cars or cars are quite old?
> I have seen some signs of Suzuki and I don't think they
> are making lousy cars over there(at least in Japan they make
> good cars).
> 
> Jun 
> 
Dear Junsan, konichiwa!
Kedves Junsan, jo napot!

The partial answer to your question is that both are correct. Hungarians
do use leaded gas and they also drive cars that are much older than the
average. However, all of this stems from the fact that Hungary is a rising
economy (it is not a reflection on Japanese made cars), just like Japan
was after the WWII. It is our(their) hope to achieve a standard of living
that westerners and (far) easterners have come to enjoy. I made the same
observation 2 years ago when I visited there with my family. It is a
concern. Hopefully Hungary will solve this problem before they pay the
bigger price of high health care from pollution related ailments. 

Horvath Attila
+ - Re: question from an outsider. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (Dan Pop) writes:
|>In >  (Pal Hidas) writes:
|>
|>
|>>Or even if more, was the number of Romanians left in Hungary equal to
|>>the number of Hungarians given to Romania ?
|>
|>A broken argument, if I ever saw one.

Do you have some arguments ? Broken or unbroken ?  ;-)

|>
|>1. Who "gave" them to Romania?

The peace treaty. Well, "treaty".

|>
|>2. Do you have a clue where most of the Hungarians "given" to Romania
|>   lived?  Hint: it was not near the border with Hungary.

Szekelyfold not, but the Arad, Nagyvarad strip had Hungarian majority.

|>
|>3. Was your "principle" of tracing borders ever applied in a real case?
|>   If not, why?

No. The interest of great and minor powers was the "principle" always,
because people itself were not interesting, they just bothered the big
play. Anyhow, what is your "principle", Dan ? ;-) or :-(  ???

|>
|>Dan
|>--
|>Dan Pop
|>CERN, CN Division
|>Email:  
|>Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
|>

Pal
+ - ekezet-beutes (elotte Re: Mi ez...) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > 
-state.edu (Gabor Barsai) writes:
>In article >, Janos Szamosfalvi 
.u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>me'g mind a mai napig nem tudtam ra'jo:nni arra hogy hogy tudom
>>o"ket beu:tni.  (DECStation w/Ultrix + Tektronix Xterm's)
>Pedig nadon egyszeru. Fogj egy kalapacsot, es ugyesen usd be oket a kepernobe.

Ennél jobb módszerek is vannak: 1. xmodmap, 2. xterm "translations" resource,
3. a szövegszerkesztődön belül, pl. emacs.  A 2.-ra lásd (ott megtalálod
a .Xdefaults-ot, gondolom, még ha nem is tudsz franciául):
   ftp://ftp.ulaval.ca/contrib/yergeau/accents.faq
-- Olivier
+ - Re: Air pollution (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,
Mutsuura  > wrote:


>Dear Junsan, konichiwa!
>Kedves Junsan, jo napot!

Jo napot, Hogy van? 


>The partial answer to your question is that both are correct. Hungarians
>do use leaded gas 

They should have their doctors open their lungs and see if they can
find lead there. It's scary to use this toxic gas.
I could see the air in Budapest has "color".


and they also drive cars that are much older than the
>average.

Better than in Romania. Dacias need lots of improvement and they
are doing it with South Koreans.  I have seen some used Japanese
cars that are right-handed drive, which means they were used in
Japan in the past and shipped to eastern europe like Hungary and
Romania. 


However, all of this stems from the fact that Hungary is a rising
>economy (it is not a reflection on Japanese made cars),

I could not feel real dynamic there like in rapid growing countries
like China where construction is everywhere. They really need 
huge investment from the west or Asia. 


just like Japan
>was after the WWII.

I can see a lot of newly developed countries making the same
mistake as Japan did including China and Taiwan. They sacrifice 
everything, human rights, pollution for the sake of their economy.
We had so much problem with pollution in the 60's and no one seemed
to care because our economy was growing in two digits every year.  


It is our(their) hope to achieve a standard of living
>that westerners and (far) easterners have come to enjoy. I made the same
>observation 2 years ago when I visited there with my family. It is a
>concern. Hopefully Hungary will solve this problem before they pay the
>bigger price of high health care from pollution related ailments. 


I agree. It's not that difficult to achieve high standard of living
materialistically but it's hard to achieve good health in any 
country. I hope Hungary has smart decision makers.

Jun Miyamoto
+ - SZALAMI (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Searching for information regarding the founders of HERZ SZALAMI,
reportedly bought by PICK of Szeged in 1994. 

Need information on Herz family for New York descendants.
Does someone have the name and address of the government office in
Budapest where corporate documents are archived? 

Any and all help greatly appreciated.

Elore is koszonom.

<felix>

--
     Felix G. Game
Genealogy & Translation
 Professional Services
    Austria-Hungary
+ - Re: question from an outsider. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In >  () writes:

>In article >, DBrutus > wrote
:
>>
>>Welcome to N. Ireland II, and III, IV, V, VI.
>
>Why should drawing the border along ethnic lines invoke the situation of
>N. Ireland?  If anything, it would reduce the chances of N. Ireland
>where the main problem is the mixing of two different groups in one
>country. 

Obvious answer: because there are no ethnic lines.  Transylvania is a
mixture of Romanian and Hungarian villages.  Given that the Romanians
are prevalent, you could talk about Hungarian ethnic islands, of various
sizes.  And the large ones are _not_ near the border with Hungary.

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
+ - Re: question from an outsider. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In >  (Pal Hidas) writes:


>In article >,  (Dan Pop) writes:
>|>In >  (Pal Hidas) writes:
>|>
>|>
>|>>Or even if more, was the number of Romanians left in Hungary equal to
>|>>the number of Hungarians given to Romania ?
>|>
>|>A broken argument, if I ever saw one.
>
>Do you have some arguments ? Broken or unbroken ?  ;-)
>
>|>
>|>1. Who "gave" them to Romania?
>
>The peace treaty. Well, "treaty".

I wasn't aware of the fact that eastern Transylvania was colonized with
Szeklers as a result of a peace treaty.  Could you provide more details?
>
>|>
>|>2. Do you have a clue where most of the Hungarians "given" to Romania
>|>   lived?  Hint: it was not near the border with Hungary.
>
>Szekelyfold not, but the Arad, Nagyvarad strip had Hungarian majority.

The town, maybe.  How about the surrounding villages?
>
>|>
>|>3. Was your "principle" of tracing borders ever applied in a real case?
>|>   If not, why?
>
>No. The interest of great and minor powers was the "principle" always,
>because people itself were not interesting, they just bothered the big
>play. Anyhow, what is your "principle", Dan ? ;-) or :-(  ???

I don't trace borders :-)  And I don't intend to in the foreseeable
future.

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
+ - Re: question from an outsider. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

DBrutus
>>Welcome to N. Ireland II, and III, IV, V, VI.

From:  ()
>Why should drawing the border along ethnic lines 
>invoke the situation of N. Ireland?  If anything, it 
>would reduce the chances of N. Ireland where the 
>main problem is the mixing of two different groups 
>in one country. 

In N. Ireland you have a majority of people who wish to
stay with GB who are protestant and a minority of separatists
who are catholic who wish union with Ireland. Under your
scheme the Romanians would be the Catholics striving
for Transylvanion union with the Hungarians in the role
of the Protestants. I'm not in favor of virtually guaranteeing
a Romanian version of the IRA especially since they would
be my co-ethnics.


In the tradition of Publius, Cato, and Centinel...
Decius Brutus
+ - Magyar konyha - porkolt (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eleg a politika a vonalon, legalabb is tiz percre.
Megigertem barataimnak, hogy majd megcsinalok nekik porkoltet
julius vegen.  Lassan 5 eve amikor utoljaro foztem egy ilyen
kivalo kajat es sklerozis azota is szepen fejlodott, ugy hogy nem
emlekszem pontosan hogyan kell csinalni. Tud-e valaki segiteni
nekem? 

Elore is koszonom,
Wojtek
+ - Re: Mi ez... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > 
.gov (Greg L. Kimnach) writes:
>plain and simple why we--or at least many of us--don't respond in hungarian.  
 
>we don't have the proper characters "on our keyboards"  and reading 
>hungarian without the proper diacritics is difficult.  at least for me:-)

Since I have just posted this to another group, I feel obliged to
repeat here too the way to go: FAQs!
    ftp://ftp.ulaval.ca/contrib/yergeau/accents.faq (in French)
    ftp://ftp.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at/pub/8bit/FAQ-ISO-8859-1
    ftp://ftp.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at/pub/8bit/i18n-fonts
-- Olivier "öt szép szűzlány őrült írót nyúz"
+ - Judo (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Golden State Open Judo Championship    Aug 26 & 27, 1995.
West Covina.Ca.91793
818 968 8439
818 968 0025
At  the  Golden State Open Judo  Championship a group  from  Budapest 
will  be  taking  part  in  the  competition  for  the  first  time.
List  of contestants :
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Gyongyi Kiralypali
Kristof Demeny
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Tamas Kovacs
Adam Strenner
Krisztina Hornyak
Tamas Toth
Antal Hornyak
Gabor Kemeny
Adam Demeny
All  competitors  are  teenagers.

                                                          R.Koranyi
+ - Re: Fekete lyuk (was: two words translated, please) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Ors Deak,
 writes:
>I heard that most everyone who frequents the Fekete Luk, sleeps with a
>person of the same sex.

Must be new tendency but i am not surprised. Some years ago
when i was there couple of times it was not *that* kinda fag
club, you know. We were looking for a tough place and it was
not one. It was rather a show-off than a subcultural place so
it was very boring.
There were several harmless junkie around, plenty kids, quite
a few "monkey" who were dressed and looked like a wrongly
painted Picasso, lot of old &young rockers and there you could
always see some older gaping couples around dressed as they'd
come directly from the Opera . And lotsa bluehaired,
vampirlike ugly slut with rings in the nose. These were just
plain grotesque together. You have better chances to catch a
woman-looking chick or a good fight in an ordinary suburb disco
than in Fekete Lyuk. That time even stage diving was not
allowed there...it was sucha place.

Tamás
+ - Re: re. the question of using pen names (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Hermes ) wrote:
: On 15 Jul 1995  wrote:
: >  > wrote:
: > >     NO DANUBIUS.
: > >     YOUR NAME IS NOT JOE PANNON.
: > >     YOUR NAME IS ION PANONESCU.

: > Why would a Romanian want to claim me, a denounced "hater" of Romanians,
: > as one of their own?  The natural inclination would be just the
: > opposite; disavow such a person even if he really is one of them.

: He is trying to help you, dummy ! Knowing how great it feels to be Romanian,
: he hopes that 'adopting' you may aleviate your delusions and paranoia.
: m.c.

You would be much more helpful for the Romanian nation if you adopted one 
of your Romanian orphans instead of leaving them to atrophy in Romania.
-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency
+ - Re: Mi ez... (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Istvan Horvath <100556,34
> writes:
>From: Istvan Horvath >
>Subject: Re: Mi ez...
>Date: 15 Jul 1995 03:07:24 GMT

 (powermac-7) wrote:
>>Miert nem magyarul irtok, elvegre magyarok vagytok renduletlenul!!!
>>
>>udv.      Ago

>Ebben igazad van, de itt resztvesznek olyanok is, akik renduletlenul külföldie
k.
>8-)))


plain and simple why we--or at least many of us--don't respond in hungarian.   
we don't have the proper characters "on our keyboards"  and reading 
hungarian without the proper diacritics is difficult.  at least for me:-)

it has nothing to do with my being a kulfoldi !  

a proud, "magyar-literate" hungarian without a proper interface to the net:-)

gergely


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+ - Re: Vlasi (was: Re: Re:Nestor & Vlachs I) (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article > Liviu Iordache,
 writes:
>Serbian and Croatian monastic deeds  used Vlasi for
>Romanians.

Hence Aromanians lived around Dalmatia the usage of
'Valsi' refers to their presence there, as you put it into
words: " [..] the term "vlach" was also applied to Italians
or to the 9th century latin-speakers living in the moun-
tains of Dalmatia."
/*---*/

>>Here some other villages , originaly established by Italian
>>or French peasants, hence the name, 'olasz':

>Yeah, yeah... but we are concerned neither with the Italians nor
>with the French peasants but with the East Franks.

Remember, Jelko's mentioned one: Olaszi - Francavilla. Here
the Frank - Olasz connection is clear.
/*---*/

>>So, again: 'olasz' was borrowed from Slavic, in which it was
>>used and are used even now in the meaning of Italian.

>I don't get it. Do you claim that the Romanians were not
>called vlach or vlasi? Moreover, if the Poles and Czechs use
>a somehow similar word for the Italians what that has to do
>with how the old Slavs called the Franks?

I try to prove that there were no Vlakhs around when the
Magyar tribes settled down. That's why they picked up the
word indirectly from the local Slavs who used it vaguely
for any south-east foreigner (like Italians and East Franks).
If there had been Aromanic/Vlach people around, there
wouldn't have been this confusion with the usage of the
word. As Vlakhs appeared in the region, their name made
its way - directly and unambigously- to Hungarian.

Tamás

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