My wife and I will be visiting Budapest from October 26th thru November
12th.  We teach Hungarian folkdancing and plan to visit our favorite
tanchazok.  We would like to rent a flat or a private room fairly close
to the center of town (ie: between Moskva ter and Keleti palyaudvar, and
between Arpad hid and Szabadsag hid) in the $15-20 USD range (yes we
know about Ibusz, Volantour, etc, from previous visits).  If you know
anyone who would be interested in renting us a place please send email
to:

	

Szia,

Todd Wagner

FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5727) From:

> From: Liviu Iordache >
 ..............
>> From: Matthew Peter Muresan
>
> >Yes, up to the late 1950s, the generally accepted
> >spelling was Rumania[...] It was even in line with the
> >way many (less educated probably) Romanians have called
> >themselves for centuries ("rumi^n" -- just think of some
> >ballads and other such folklore).
.................
> Yes, but as far as linguistic is concerned "Romanian" is
> derived from "romanus" via "ruma~n" and not the other way
> around. The evolutionary path, as correctly as it can be
> reconstructed, is
>
> romanus-->ruma~n-->rumi^n-->roma^n
>
> Therefore, none of the above spellings contradicts the
> Latin roots of the Romanian language. As a matter of
> fact, I'm not aware of any theory that denies the Latin
> roots of Romanians.

The evolution explained is well known by many people and I think that,
leaving aside the jokes, what  some people tried to say is that :

 ROMANIA is a "more appropriate" naming for two reasons:
- It is the official name commonly used in recent publications
- It shows more clearly the historical connection

...................

> >Finally, I am not willing (and honestly hope that nobody
> >else is either) to embark upon fighting any argument
> >that would assert that the Daco-Roman continuity is
> >bogus.  I think arguments in favour of that abound in
> >such a fashion that denying said continuity is akin to
> >saying that the Holocaust hasn't taken place.
>
> Yeah, whatever... And the most categoric argument is the
> spelling "Romania," isn't it?

Has anybody claimed that ?

>Anyhow I must have missed
> something here.
>What is the connection between the Latin
> origin of Romanian, the Holocaust, and the so-called
> "Daco-Roman(ian)" theory? Not that I really care for an
> answer, but I find your reasoning quite charming.

The man intended to say that in "his opinion" the evidence of
Daco-Romanian continuity is such that denial would be ridiculous.
He probably has not seen your previous posts inspired so well from
Hungarian textbooks but having the arrival of Romanians in Transylvania
moved back a couple hundred years to make it look somewhat original (a
"fact" that still seem to escape Panonescu who keeps quoting you like
the Bible).  You could answer him straight rather than act like a "Smart
Ass".

> According to an ancient Chinese document, the Moon is
> made up of green cheese. Denying this is like saying that
> our Hungarian fellows are in no way related to Attila.

Is like your previous "argument" was not enough sarcasm, you smear
more shit on top of it.

> Liviu Iordache

(H)Adrian C(aligulescu)


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Isn't this cute?  What does this have to do with Magyar society and 
culture?  Why don't we start spamming SCR?

Chris Tomescu was forced to convert to Rumanianism by the Caecescu
government.

He was tortured and castrated.

He loves to tell the story.

Write him at 

ask him about the details
send your e-mail to 

Hi folks!

I am looking for a Hungarian students´ symphonic orchestra or choir somewhere 
in Hungary (where else...). I am member of a German students´ symphonic 
orchestra in Duesseldorf and we have recently been in Budapest in February. En 
magam magyar szarmazasu vagyok so I manages that trip. But now we want to see 
more of Hungary and so I look for an ensemble which likes to get in contact 
with us.

Please E-mail me to  (best would be in the 
world´s most important language: Hungarian; otherwise English or German).

That´s it,

Erwin ;-)

> -----------------------------------------
Erwin P. Mark
Studentenorchester der 
Heinrich-Heine-Universitaet Duesseldorf
c/o AStA 
Universitaetsstrasse 1
40225 Duesseldorf
Germany
E-mail 
Fax: +49-211-311-3611
> -----------------------------------------

FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5730) From:am620(Tom Angi)
FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5706) From:(Liviu Iordac
h
e)
From: Matthew Peter Muresan

>Yes, up to the late 1950s, the generally accepted
>spelling was Rumania[...] It was even in line with the
>way many (less educated probably) Romanians have called
>themselves for centuries ("rumi^n" -- just think of some
>ballads and other such folklore).

You might not be exactly correct here. What was the
spelling used by boyar Neacsu of Cimpulung, most
certainly one of the educated Romanians of the 16th
century?

Tseara ruma~neasca~!!!

How about the famous Prof.Nae Ionescu? What was the
spelling stressed in the columns of his 1930s newspaper
"Cuvintul?"

Not Roma^n, but Ruma^n!!!

>let alone the conspicuous and undeniable roman origins
>of the Romanian nation.

Yes, but as far as linguistic is concerned "Romanian" is
derived from "romanus" via "ruma~n" and not the other way
around. The evolutionary path, as correctly as it can be
reconstructed, is

romanus-->ruma~n-->rumi^n-->roma^n

Therefore, none of the above spellings contradicts the
Latin roots of the Romanian language. As a matter of
fact, I'm not aware of any theory that denies the Latin
roots of Romanians.

>That said, the one true measure of the generally
>accepted spelling of any word is the way it shows in
>scholarly works, in news magazines, and in dailies.  I
>can testify based on a great number of books ...
>agree on Romania as the correct spelling.  In fact, a
>NEXIS search [...] never returned Rumania as a response.

Well, my search speaks the contrary (see Appendix). Let's
stress here that many of the authors that still use the
English spelling "Rumania" are Romanians, working
currently in Romania, or researchers from abroad highly
trained in matters concerning Romanian history and,
therefore, aware of many of the Romanian nationalistic
phobias.

>Finally, I am not willing (and honestly hope that nobody
>else is either) to embark upon fighting any argument
>that would assert that the Daco-Roman continuity is
>bogus.  I think arguments in favour of that abound in
>such a fashion that denying said continuity is akin to
>saying that the Holocaust hasn't taken place.

Yeah, whatever... And the most categoric argument is the
spelling "Romania," isn't it? Anyhow I must have missed
something here. What is the connection between the Latin
origin of Romanian, the Holocaust, and the so-called
"Daco-Roman(ian)" theory? Not that I really care for an
answer, but I find your reasoning quite charming.

According to an ancient Chinese document, the Moon is
made up of green cheese. Denying this is like saying that
our Hungarian fellows are in no way related to Attila.

Liviu Iordache

Appendix

 SEARCH QUERY:
 RUMANIA
        1 OF  30
 AU CROMEN-E.  GREGORI-I.  SCHASHER-A.
 TI RUMANIA UNDERGOING RADICAL CHANGE - PROSPECTS AND PROBLEMS REGARDING
    EUROPEAN INTEGRATION - GERMAN - GREGORI,I, SCHASER,A.
 SO POLITISCHE-VIERTELJAHRESSCHRIFT.  1995, JUN, V36, N2, P319-327.
    ISSN 0032-3470.
        2 OF  30
 AU SARINGER-G.  TAKACS-A.
 TI BIOLOGY AND CONTROL OF TANYMECUS-DILATICOLLIS GYLL (COL,
    CURCULIONIDAE).
 SO ACTA-PHYTOPATHOLOGICA-ET-ENTOMOLOGICA-HUNGARICA.  1994, V29, N1-2,
    P173-185.
    ISSN 0238-1249.
 AB T. dilaticollis has long been a member of the Hungarian fauna, but
    publication on its damage only appeared in 1952.  In South-Eastern
    European countries first of all in Rumania, ......
        3 OF  30
 AU LANTERMANN-ED.  HANZE-M.
 TI VALUES AND MATERIAL SUCCESS OF RESETTLERS.
 SO ZEITSCHRIFT-FUR-SOZIALPSYCHOLOGIE.  1995, V26, N1, P15-23.
    ISSN 0044-3514.
 AB A causal two-step model for the development ....
    ....The model was
    tested with a structural equation model on the basis of interview
    data from 239 resettler families from Poland, ROUMANIA...
        4 OF  30
 AU PETKOVSKI-S.
 TI ON THE PRESENCE OF THE GENUS TANYMASTIX SIMON, 1886 (CRUSTACEA,
    ANOSTRACA) IN MACEDONIA.
 SO HYDROBIOLOGIA.  1995, FEB 24, V298, N1-3, P307-313.
    ISSN 0018-8158.
 AB The genus Tanymastix Simon, 1886 is represented in Macedonia by two
    species: Tanymastix stagnalis (Linnaeus, 1758) and Tanymastix motasi
    Orghidan, 1945. ... In
    T. motasi, the original description of the species, hitherto known
    only for the Giurgiu Region in RUMANIA, is supplemented by additional
    diagnostic characteristics.
        5 OF  30
 AU TEPPNER-H.  KLEIN-E.  DRESCHER-A.  ZAGULSKIJ-M.
 TI NIGRITELLA-CARPATICA (ORCHIDACEAE ORCHIDEAE) - A RELIC ENDEMIC OF THE
    EASTERN CARPATHIANS - TAXONOMY, DISTRIBUTION, KARYOLOGY AND
    EMBRYOLOGY.
 SO PHYTON-ANNALES-REI-BOTANICAE.  1994, V34, N2, P169+.
    ISSN 0079-2047.
 AB Nigritella carpatica (Zapalowicz) Teppner, Klein & Zagulskij, comb.
    nova, is described in full detail.....
    The species is endemic in the northwestern
    part of the East Carpathian Mountains and is known from six locations
    (in RUMANIA and the Ukraine)...
        6 OF  30
 AU PFISTER-T.  WEGMULLER-U.
 TI UPPER MARINE MOLASSE, MIDDLE BURDIGALIAN NEAR BERNE, SWITZERLAND .1.
    PALAEOTAXODONTA AND PTERIOMORPHIA PRO-PARTE.
 SO ECLOGAE-GEOLOGICAE-HELVETIAE.  1994, V87, N3, P895-973.
    ISSN 0012-9402.
 AB The rich and diverse macrofauna of the Belpbergschichten
    ......... The location of the area at the transition
    from the Central Paratethys (E-Bavaria to Ukraine and RUMANIA)
        7 OF  30
 AU NASCU-HI.  COMSULEA-DI.  NIAC-G.
 TI THE DISTRIBUTION OF INORGANIC ELEMENTS BETWEEN COAL AND MINERAL
    MATTER IN RUMANIAN LIGNITE.
 SO FUEL.  1995, JAN, V74, N1, P119-123.
    ISSN 0016-2361.
        8 OF  30
 AU BOHM-H.
 TI A BACH ACADEMY IN RUMANIA.
 SO MUSIK-UND-KIRCHE.  1994, SEP-OCT, V64, N5, P303-303.
    ISSN 0027-4771.
        9 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVONIC-AND-EAST-EUROPEAN-REVIEW.  1994, JUL, V72, N3, P562-563.
    ISSN 0037-6795.
       10 OF  30
 AU LAZARESCU-M.  ARDELEANU-V.  JIANU-A.
 TI STUDY ON THE REACTIVE PSYCHOSIS OCCURRED DURING THE REVOLUTION OF
    DECEMBER 1989 - TIMISOARA, RUMANIA.
 SO EUROPEAN-JOURNAL-OF-PSYCHIATRY.  1993, OCT-DEC, V7, N4, P219-228.
    ISSN 0213-6163.
       11 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI RUMANIA, 1866-1947 - HITCHINS,K.
 SO TLS-THE-TIMES-LITERARY-SUPPLEMENT.  1994, JUL 22, N4764, P26-26.
    ISSN 0307-661X.
       12 OF  30
 AU SNEDEKER-DC.
 TI NATIONALISM AND THE MILITARY IN THE 1990S - THE UNIQUE CASE OF
    RUMANIA.
 SO HISTORY-OF-EUROPEAN-IDEAS.  1994, MAR, V18, N2, P241-254.
    ISSN 0191-6599.
       13 OF  30
 AU PERPERE-M.
 TI THE PALEOLITHIC AND NEOLITHIC OF RUMANIA IN A EUROPEAN CONTEXT -
    FRENCH - CHIRICA,V, MONAH,D.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P542-542.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       14 OF  30
 AU BORONEANT-V.
 TI NEW DATA ON ANTHROPOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES FROM SCHELA-CLADOVEI,
    DROBETA-TURNU SEVERIN (RUMANIA).
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P511-514.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       15 OF  30
 AU PELISEK-J.
 TI QUATERNARY SEDIMENTS IN THE AREA OF MAMAIA-SAT, RUMANIA, ON THE BLACK
    SEA SHORELINE.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P265-270.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       16 OF  30
 AU VALOCH-K.
 TI THE INDUSTRIES OF THE MIDDLE PALAEOLITHIC SITE MAMAIA-SAT (RUMANIA)
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P239-264.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       17 OF  30
 AU URBAN-W.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO JOURNAL-OF-BALTIC-STUDIES.  1993, FAL, V24, N3, P315-315.
    ISSN 0162-9778.
       18 OF  30
 AU PRADO-C.  GOMEZLOBO-P.
 TI ANTHROPOLOGY AS A PREDICTOR OF RISK FACTORS ON CARDIOVASCULAR
    DISEASES - ADOLESCENT PERIOD.
 SO COLLEGIUM-ANTROPOLOGICUM.  1993, DEC, V17, N2, P297-303.
    ISSN 0350-6134.
 AB ......
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    positive.  Spain is, together with RUMANIA, the European country
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    augmented.
       19 OF  30
 AU MICHELSON-PE.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY COLD
    WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO AMERICAN-HISTORICAL-REVIEW.  1993, DEC, V98, N5, P1577-1577.
    ISSN 0002-8762.
       20 OF  30
 AU KELLOGG-F.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, FAL, V52, N3, P612-613.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       21 OF  30
 AU KIRATZI-AA.
 TI ACTIVE DEFORMATION IN THE VRANCEA REGION, RUMANIA.
 SO PURE-AND-APPLIED-GEOPHYSICS.  1993, V140, N3, P391-402.
    ISSN 0033-4553.
       22 OF  30
 AU AVRAM-E.  SZASZ-L.  ANTONESCU-E.  BALTRES-A.  IVA-M.  MELINTE-M.
    NEAGU-T.  RADAN-S.  TOMESCU-C.
 TI CRETACEOUS TERRESTRIAL AND SHALLOW MARINE DEPOSITS IN NORTHERN
    SOUTH-DOBROGEA (SE RUMANIA).
 SO CRETACEOUS-RESEARCH.  1993, JUN, V14, N3, P265-305.
    ISSN 0195-6671.
       24 OF  30
 AU FISCHER-ME.
 TI 20TH-CENTURY RUMANIA - FISCHERGALATI,S.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, SPR, V52, N1, P139-140.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       25 OF  30
 AU CETERCHI-I.
 TI INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS OF TRANSITION IN RUMANIA.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, DEC, V23, N4, P89-126
    ISSN 0338-0599.
       26 OF  30
 AU SIMONIC-A.  VRHOVAC-B.
 TI CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY IN EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-JOURNAL-OF-CLINICAL-PHARMACOLOGY-THERAPY-AND-
    TOXICOLOGY.  1993, JUN, V31, N6, P301-308.
    ISSN 0174-4879.
 AB The current ...
    It is mainly basic in only a few
    countries (RUMANIA, Turkey,
       27 OF  30
 AU PEARTON-M.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO EUROPE-ASIA-STUDIES.  1993, V45, N3, P567-568.
    ISSN 0038-5859.
       28 OF  30
 AU LABARONNE-D.
 TI THE RUMANIAN ECONOMY IN TRANSITION TO A MARKET ECONOMY - ECONOMIC AND
    INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, JUN-SEP, V23, N2-3,
    P105-136.
       29 OF  30
 AU BIRZEA-C.
 TI THE ISSUE OF POPULATION IN RUMANIA.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-REVIEW-OF-EDUCATION.  1993, MAR, V39, N1-2, P133-136
       30 OF  30
 AU VANEV-SG.  NEGREAN-G.
 TI RAMULARIA-BISCUTELIAE, SP-NOV.
 SO MYCOTAXON.  1993, JAN-MAR, V46, JAN-, P35-36.
 AB .......
       During taxonomic investigations of some undetermined Hyphomycetous
    specimens deposited in the Mycological Herbarium of the Institute of
    Biological Sciences, Bucharest, RUMANIA (BUCM),....

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What does this have to do with Magyar society and culture?

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This guys still here.  Get thee to SCR!

This guy hates all Hungarians.

Here it is folks, this is what happens when you get castrated.  Just ask
Chris Tomescu

   From:            On: 10/03/95  19:31
Subject: SCM: rUman_vs_rOman_tom_angi's_wife_and_other_ess
Reply-To: 

      (Gabor Barsai) wrote:

     >>My wife doesn't think your comment is amusing.

     >So why is that my problem? Her feelings are chosen by her. I can't
     >help it if she's not pretty.

     [snippy]

     >I kinda like H(A)drian's and Cris Tomescu's posts...[snippy]
     ----------------------------------------------------------------------

     uh -oh....mmhhhh....aaaaaahhhhhh.......yes, YES, Y-E-S........

     ANYBODY CALLIN' MEEEE???????  ANYBODY TALKIN' ABOUT MEEEEE??????

     oh, it's you Gabor, you Don_Juan_de_las_Mujeres_Calientes......

     AY_AY_AY_AY_AY you wild Gaucho_de_las_Pampas.......

     and who's this guy, tom angi, anyway?  and why does he bring up his
     wife in all this......must be some subliminal reason, eh???

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     >And I don't like your condescending attitude either.

     So kill me. That's OK, I don't like you either.

     >Are you promoting pornography on the net?

     Not that I know of. Penthouse magazine can be obtained at the local
     7-11. I
     haven't seen a naked girl on the "Bikini of the Day", although I admit
     not
     looking into it very much. (Adrian, you old dog...)

     >How old are these girls?  Do you know how old I am?
          |                            |
      I don't know.              Why should I care?

     Gabor

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In article >,
 > wrote:
>In article >,
>Tom Angi > wrote:
>>
>>Why oh why do they hang out on Magyar teritory?
>>
>>Tell him to go home.
>
>Oh, come now, Tom!  You see it all wrong!  Almost all their presence
>here is propoganda victory for us!  Intelligent impartial visitors to
>s.c.m. can't fail to see the contrast between their posts and ours.
>So "all power to them", I say. ;-)

Oh, yes. Mr. Angi's and Mr. Keeler's post are sooooooooooo intelligent, my puny
brain can hardly handle such lojik and nollij. Of course, this is in contrast
to the great stupidity of people like JELIKO and Matyas from the anon service,
who actually try to post sentences that make sense.

Gabor

FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5769) From:am620(Tom Angi)
FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5730) From:am620(Tom Angi)
FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5706) From:(Liviu Iordac
h
e)
From: Matthew Peter Muresan

>Yes, up to the late 1950s, the generally accepted
>spelling was Rumania[...] It was even in line with the
>way many (less educated probably) Romanians have called
>themselves for centuries ("rumi^n" -- just think of some
>ballads and other such folklore).

You might not be exactly correct here. What was the
spelling used by boyar Neacsu of Cimpulung, most
certainly one of the educated Romanians of the 16th
century?

Tseara ruma~neasca~!!!

How about the famous Prof.Nae Ionescu? What was the
spelling stressed in the columns of his 1930s newspaper
"Cuvintul?"

Not Roma^n, but Ruma^n!!!

>let alone the conspicuous and undeniable roman origins
>of the Romanian nation.

Yes, but as far as linguistic is concerned "Romanian" is
derived from "romanus" via "ruma~n" and not the other way
around. The evolutionary path, as correctly as it can be
reconstructed, is

romanus-->ruma~n-->rumi^n-->roma^n

Therefore, none of the above spellings contradicts the
Latin roots of the Romanian language. As a matter of
fact, I'm not aware of any theory that denies the Latin
roots of Romanians.

>That said, the one true measure of the generally
>accepted spelling of any word is the way it shows in
>scholarly works, in news magazines, and in dailies.  I
>can testify based on a great number of books ...
>agree on Romania as the correct spelling.  In fact, a
>NEXIS search [...] never returned Rumania as a response.

Well, my search speaks the contrary (see Appendix). Let's
stress here that many of the authors that still use the
English spelling "Rumania" are Romanians, working
currently in Romania, or researchers from abroad highly
trained in matters concerning Romanian history and,
therefore, aware of many of the Romanian nationalistic
phobias.

>Finally, I am not willing (and honestly hope that nobody
>else is either) to embark upon fighting any argument
>that would assert that the Daco-Roman continuity is
>bogus.  I think arguments in favour of that abound in
>such a fashion that denying said continuity is akin to
>saying that the Holocaust hasn't taken place.

Yeah, whatever... And the most categoric argument is the
spelling "Romania," isn't it? Anyhow I must have missed
something here. What is the connection between the Latin
origin of Romanian, the Holocaust, and the so-called
"Daco-Roman(ian)" theory? Not that I really care for an
answer, but I find your reasoning quite charming.

According to an ancient Chinese document, the Moon is
made up of green cheese. Denying this is like saying that
our Hungarian fellows are in no way related to Attila.

Liviu Iordache

Appendix

 SEARCH QUERY:
 RUMANIA
        1 OF  30
 AU CROMEN-E.  GREGORI-I.  SCHASHER-A.
 TI RUMANIA UNDERGOING RADICAL CHANGE - PROSPECTS AND PROBLEMS REGARDING
    EUROPEAN INTEGRATION - GERMAN - GREGORI,I, SCHASER,A.
 SO POLITISCHE-VIERTELJAHRESSCHRIFT.  1995, JUN, V36, N2, P319-327.
    ISSN 0032-3470.
        2 OF  30
 AU SARINGER-G.  TAKACS-A.
 TI BIOLOGY AND CONTROL OF TANYMECUS-DILATICOLLIS GYLL (COL,
    CURCULIONIDAE).
 SO ACTA-PHYTOPATHOLOGICA-ET-ENTOMOLOGICA-HUNGARICA.  1994, V29, N1-2,
    P173-185.
    ISSN 0238-1249.
 AB T. dilaticollis has long been a member of the Hungarian fauna, but
    publication on its damage only appeared in 1952.  In South-Eastern
    European countries first of all in Rumania, ......
        3 OF  30
 AU LANTERMANN-ED.  HANZE-M.
 TI VALUES AND MATERIAL SUCCESS OF RESETTLERS.
 SO ZEITSCHRIFT-FUR-SOZIALPSYCHOLOGIE.  1995, V26, N1, P15-23.
    ISSN 0044-3514.
 AB A causal two-step model for the development ....
    ....The model was
    tested with a structural equation model on the basis of interview
    data from 239 resettler families from Poland, ROUMANIA...
        4 OF  30
 AU PETKOVSKI-S.
 TI ON THE PRESENCE OF THE GENUS TANYMASTIX SIMON, 1886 (CRUSTACEA,
    ANOSTRACA) IN MACEDONIA.
 SO HYDROBIOLOGIA.  1995, FEB 24, V298, N1-3, P307-313.
    ISSN 0018-8158.
 AB The genus Tanymastix Simon, 1886 is represented in Macedonia by two
    species: Tanymastix stagnalis (Linnaeus, 1758) and Tanymastix motasi
    Orghidan, 1945. ... In
    T. motasi, the original description of the species, hitherto known
    only for the Giurgiu Region in RUMANIA, is supplemented by additional
    diagnostic characteristics.
        5 OF  30
 AU TEPPNER-H.  KLEIN-E.  DRESCHER-A.  ZAGULSKIJ-M.
 TI NIGRITELLA-CARPATICA (ORCHIDACEAE ORCHIDEAE) - A RELIC ENDEMIC OF THE
    EASTERN CARPATHIANS - TAXONOMY, DISTRIBUTION, KARYOLOGY AND
    EMBRYOLOGY.
 SO PHYTON-ANNALES-REI-BOTANICAE.  1994, V34, N2, P169+.
    ISSN 0079-2047.
 AB Nigritella carpatica (Zapalowicz) Teppner, Klein & Zagulskij, comb.
    nova, is described in full detail.....
    The species is endemic in the northwestern
    part of the East Carpathian Mountains and is known from six locations
    (in RUMANIA and the Ukraine)...
        6 OF  30
 AU PFISTER-T.  WEGMULLER-U.
 TI UPPER MARINE MOLASSE, MIDDLE BURDIGALIAN NEAR BERNE, SWITZERLAND .1.
    PALAEOTAXODONTA AND PTERIOMORPHIA PRO-PARTE.
 SO ECLOGAE-GEOLOGICAE-HELVETIAE.  1994, V87, N3, P895-973.
    ISSN 0012-9402.
 AB The rich and diverse macrofauna of the Belpbergschichten
    ......... The location of the area at the transition
    from the Central Paratethys (E-Bavaria to Ukraine and RUMANIA)
        7 OF  30
 AU NASCU-HI.  COMSULEA-DI.  NIAC-G.
 TI THE DISTRIBUTION OF INORGANIC ELEMENTS BETWEEN COAL AND MINERAL
    MATTER IN RUMANIAN LIGNITE.
 SO FUEL.  1995, JAN, V74, N1, P119-123.
    ISSN 0016-2361.
        8 OF  30
 AU BOHM-H.
 TI A BACH ACADEMY IN RUMANIA.
 SO MUSIK-UND-KIRCHE.  1994, SEP-OCT, V64, N5, P303-303.
    ISSN 0027-4771.
        9 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVONIC-AND-EAST-EUROPEAN-REVIEW.  1994, JUL, V72, N3, P562-563.
    ISSN 0037-6795.
       10 OF  30
 AU LAZARESCU-M.  ARDELEANU-V.  JIANU-A.
 TI STUDY ON THE REACTIVE PSYCHOSIS OCCURRED DURING THE REVOLUTION OF
    DECEMBER 1989 - TIMISOARA, RUMANIA.
 SO EUROPEAN-JOURNAL-OF-PSYCHIATRY.  1993, OCT-DEC, V7, N4, P219-228.
    ISSN 0213-6163.
       11 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI RUMANIA, 1866-1947 - HITCHINS,K.
 SO TLS-THE-TIMES-LITERARY-SUPPLEMENT.  1994, JUL 22, N4764, P26-26.
    ISSN 0307-661X.
       12 OF  30
 AU SNEDEKER-DC.
 TI NATIONALISM AND THE MILITARY IN THE 1990S - THE UNIQUE CASE OF
    RUMANIA.
 SO HISTORY-OF-EUROPEAN-IDEAS.  1994, MAR, V18, N2, P241-254.
    ISSN 0191-6599.
       13 OF  30
 AU PERPERE-M.
 TI THE PALEOLITHIC AND NEOLITHIC OF RUMANIA IN A EUROPEAN CONTEXT -
    FRENCH - CHIRICA,V, MONAH,D.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P542-542.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       14 OF  30
 AU BORONEANT-V.
 TI NEW DATA ON ANTHROPOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES FROM SCHELA-CLADOVEI,
    DROBETA-TURNU SEVERIN (RUMANIA).
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P511-514.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       15 OF  30
 AU PELISEK-J.
 TI QUATERNARY SEDIMENTS IN THE AREA OF MAMAIA-SAT, RUMANIA, ON THE BLACK
    SEA SHORELINE.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P265-270.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       16 OF  30
 AU VALOCH-K.
 TI THE INDUSTRIES OF THE MIDDLE PALAEOLITHIC SITE MAMAIA-SAT (RUMANIA)
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P239-264.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       17 OF  30
 AU URBAN-W.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO JOURNAL-OF-BALTIC-STUDIES.  1993, FAL, V24, N3, P315-315.
    ISSN 0162-9778.
       18 OF  30
 AU PRADO-C.  GOMEZLOBO-P.
 TI ANTHROPOLOGY AS A PREDICTOR OF RISK FACTORS ON CARDIOVASCULAR
    DISEASES - ADOLESCENT PERIOD.
 SO COLLEGIUM-ANTROPOLOGICUM.  1993, DEC, V17, N2, P297-303.
    ISSN 0350-6134.
 AB ......
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    positive.  Spain is, together with RUMANIA, the European country
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    augmented.
       19 OF  30
 AU MICHELSON-PE.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY COLD
    WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO AMERICAN-HISTORICAL-REVIEW.  1993, DEC, V98, N5, P1577-1577.
    ISSN 0002-8762.
       20 OF  30
 AU KELLOGG-F.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, FAL, V52, N3, P612-613.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       21 OF  30
 AU KIRATZI-AA.
 TI ACTIVE DEFORMATION IN THE VRANCEA REGION, RUMANIA.
 SO PURE-AND-APPLIED-GEOPHYSICS.  1993, V140, N3, P391-402.
    ISSN 0033-4553.
       22 OF  30
 AU AVRAM-E.  SZASZ-L.  ANTONESCU-E.  BALTRES-A.  IVA-M.  MELINTE-M.
    NEAGU-T.  RADAN-S.  TOMESCU-C.
 TI CRETACEOUS TERRESTRIAL AND SHALLOW MARINE DEPOSITS IN NORTHERN
    SOUTH-DOBROGEA (SE RUMANIA).
 SO CRETACEOUS-RESEARCH.  1993, JUN, V14, N3, P265-305.
    ISSN 0195-6671.
       24 OF  30
 AU FISCHER-ME.
 TI 20TH-CENTURY RUMANIA - FISCHERGALATI,S.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, SPR, V52, N1, P139-140.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       25 OF  30
 AU CETERCHI-I.
 TI INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS OF TRANSITION IN RUMANIA.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, DEC, V23, N4, P89-126
    ISSN 0338-0599.
       26 OF  30
 AU SIMONIC-A.  VRHOVAC-B.
 TI CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY IN EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-JOURNAL-OF-CLINICAL-PHARMACOLOGY-THERAPY-AND-
    TOXICOLOGY.  1993, JUN, V31, N6, P301-308.
    ISSN 0174-4879.
 AB The current ...
    It is mainly basic in only a few
    countries (RUMANIA, Turkey,
       27 OF  30
 AU PEARTON-M.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO EUROPE-ASIA-STUDIES.  1993, V45, N3, P567-568.
    ISSN 0038-5859.
       28 OF  30
 AU LABARONNE-D.
 TI THE RUMANIAN ECONOMY IN TRANSITION TO A MARKET ECONOMY - ECONOMIC AND
    INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, JUN-SEP, V23, N2-3,
    P105-136.
       29 OF  30
 AU BIRZEA-C.
 TI THE ISSUE OF POPULATION IN RUMANIA.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-REVIEW-OF-EDUCATION.  1993, MAR, V39, N1-2, P133-136
       30 OF  30
 AU VANEV-SG.  NEGREAN-G.
 TI RAMULARIA-BISCUTELIAE, SP-NOV.
 SO MYCOTAXON.  1993, JAN-MAR, V46, JAN-, P35-36.
 AB .......
       During taxonomic investigations of some undetermined Hyphomycetous
    specimens deposited in the Mycological Herbarium of the Institute of
    Biological Sciences, Bucharest, RUMANIA (BUCM),....

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From: Matthew Peter Muresan

>Yes, up to the late 1950s, the generally accepted
>spelling was Rumania[...] It was even in line with the
>way many (less educated probably) Romanians have called
>themselves for centuries ("rumi^n" -- just think of some
>ballads and other such folklore).

You might not be exactly correct here. What was the
spelling used by boyar Neacsu of Cimpulung, most
certainly one of the educated Romanians of the 16th
century?

Tseara ruma~neasca~!!!

How about the famous Prof.Nae Ionescu? What was the
spelling stressed in the columns of his 1930s newspaper
"Cuvintul?"

Not Roma^n, but Ruma^n!!!

>let alone the conspicuous and undeniable roman origins
>of the Romanian nation.

Yes, but as far as linguistic is concerned "Romanian" is
derived from "romanus" via "ruma~n" and not the other way
around. The evolutionary path, as correctly as it can be
reconstructed, is

romanus-->ruma~n-->rumi^n-->roma^n

Therefore, none of the above spellings contradicts the
Latin roots of the Romanian language. As a matter of
fact, I'm not aware of any theory that denies the Latin
roots of Romanians.

>That said, the one true measure of the generally
>accepted spelling of any word is the way it shows in
>scholarly works, in news magazines, and in dailies.  I
>can testify based on a great number of books ...
>agree on Romania as the correct spelling.  In fact, a
>NEXIS search [...] never returned Rumania as a response.

Well, my search speaks the contrary (see Appendix). Let's
stress here that many of the authors that still use the
English spelling "Rumania" are Romanians, working
currently in Romania, or researchers from abroad highly
trained in matters concerning Romanian history and,
therefore, aware of many of the Romanian nationalistic
phobias.

>Finally, I am not willing (and honestly hope that nobody
>else is either) to embark upon fighting any argument
>that would assert that the Daco-Roman continuity is
>bogus.  I think arguments in favour of that abound in
>such a fashion that denying said continuity is akin to
>saying that the Holocaust hasn't taken place.

Yeah, whatever... And the most categoric argument is the
spelling "Romania," isn't it? Anyhow I must have missed
something here. What is the connection between the Latin
origin of Romanian, the Holocaust, and the so-called
"Daco-Roman(ian)" theory? Not that I really care for an
answer, but I find your reasoning quite charming.

According to an ancient Chinese document, the Moon is
made up of green cheese. Denying this is like saying that
our Hungarian fellows are in no way related to Attila.

Liviu Iordache

Appendix

 SEARCH QUERY:
 RUMANIA
        1 OF  30
 AU CROMEN-E.  GREGORI-I.  SCHASHER-A.
 TI RUMANIA UNDERGOING RADICAL CHANGE - PROSPECTS AND PROBLEMS REGARDING
    EUROPEAN INTEGRATION - GERMAN - GREGORI,I, SCHASER,A.
 SO POLITISCHE-VIERTELJAHRESSCHRIFT.  1995, JUN, V36, N2, P319-327.
    ISSN 0032-3470.
        2 OF  30
 AU SARINGER-G.  TAKACS-A.
 TI BIOLOGY AND CONTROL OF TANYMECUS-DILATICOLLIS GYLL (COL,
    CURCULIONIDAE).
 SO ACTA-PHYTOPATHOLOGICA-ET-ENTOMOLOGICA-HUNGARICA.  1994, V29, N1-2,
    P173-185.
    ISSN 0238-1249.
 AB T. dilaticollis has long been a member of the Hungarian fauna, but
    publication on its damage only appeared in 1952.  In South-Eastern
    European countries first of all in Rumania, ......
        3 OF  30
 AU LANTERMANN-ED.  HANZE-M.
 TI VALUES AND MATERIAL SUCCESS OF RESETTLERS.
 SO ZEITSCHRIFT-FUR-SOZIALPSYCHOLOGIE.  1995, V26, N1, P15-23.
    ISSN 0044-3514.
 AB A causal two-step model for the development ....
    ....The model was
    tested with a structural equation model on the basis of interview
    data from 239 resettler families from Poland, ROUMANIA...
        4 OF  30
 AU PETKOVSKI-S.
 TI ON THE PRESENCE OF THE GENUS TANYMASTIX SIMON, 1886 (CRUSTACEA,
    ANOSTRACA) IN MACEDONIA.
 SO HYDROBIOLOGIA.  1995, FEB 24, V298, N1-3, P307-313.
    ISSN 0018-8158.
 AB The genus Tanymastix Simon, 1886 is represented in Macedonia by two
    species: Tanymastix stagnalis (Linnaeus, 1758) and Tanymastix motasi
    Orghidan, 1945. ... In
    T. motasi, the original description of the species, hitherto known
    only for the Giurgiu Region in RUMANIA, is supplemented by additional
    diagnostic characteristics.
        5 OF  30
 AU TEPPNER-H.  KLEIN-E.  DRESCHER-A.  ZAGULSKIJ-M.
 TI NIGRITELLA-CARPATICA (ORCHIDACEAE ORCHIDEAE) - A RELIC ENDEMIC OF THE
    EASTERN CARPATHIANS - TAXONOMY, DISTRIBUTION, KARYOLOGY AND
    EMBRYOLOGY.
 SO PHYTON-ANNALES-REI-BOTANICAE.  1994, V34, N2, P169+.
    ISSN 0079-2047.
 AB Nigritella carpatica (Zapalowicz) Teppner, Klein & Zagulskij, comb.
    nova, is described in full detail.....
    The species is endemic in the northwestern
    part of the East Carpathian Mountains and is known from six locations
    (in RUMANIA and the Ukraine)...
        6 OF  30
 AU PFISTER-T.  WEGMULLER-U.
 TI UPPER MARINE MOLASSE, MIDDLE BURDIGALIAN NEAR BERNE, SWITZERLAND .1.
    PALAEOTAXODONTA AND PTERIOMORPHIA PRO-PARTE.
 SO ECLOGAE-GEOLOGICAE-HELVETIAE.  1994, V87, N3, P895-973.
    ISSN 0012-9402.
 AB The rich and diverse macrofauna of the Belpbergschichten
    ......... The location of the area at the transition
    from the Central Paratethys (E-Bavaria to Ukraine and RUMANIA)
        7 OF  30
 AU NASCU-HI.  COMSULEA-DI.  NIAC-G.
 TI THE DISTRIBUTION OF INORGANIC ELEMENTS BETWEEN COAL AND MINERAL
    MATTER IN RUMANIAN LIGNITE.
 SO FUEL.  1995, JAN, V74, N1, P119-123.
    ISSN 0016-2361.
        8 OF  30
 AU BOHM-H.
 TI A BACH ACADEMY IN RUMANIA.
 SO MUSIK-UND-KIRCHE.  1994, SEP-OCT, V64, N5, P303-303.
    ISSN 0027-4771.
        9 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVONIC-AND-EAST-EUROPEAN-REVIEW.  1994, JUL, V72, N3, P562-563.
    ISSN 0037-6795.
       10 OF  30
 AU LAZARESCU-M.  ARDELEANU-V.  JIANU-A.
 TI STUDY ON THE REACTIVE PSYCHOSIS OCCURRED DURING THE REVOLUTION OF
    DECEMBER 1989 - TIMISOARA, RUMANIA.
 SO EUROPEAN-JOURNAL-OF-PSYCHIATRY.  1993, OCT-DEC, V7, N4, P219-228.
    ISSN 0213-6163.
       11 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI RUMANIA, 1866-1947 - HITCHINS,K.
 SO TLS-THE-TIMES-LITERARY-SUPPLEMENT.  1994, JUL 22, N4764, P26-26.
    ISSN 0307-661X.
       12 OF  30
 AU SNEDEKER-DC.
 TI NATIONALISM AND THE MILITARY IN THE 1990S - THE UNIQUE CASE OF
    RUMANIA.
 SO HISTORY-OF-EUROPEAN-IDEAS.  1994, MAR, V18, N2, P241-254.
    ISSN 0191-6599.
       13 OF  30
 AU PERPERE-M.
 TI THE PALEOLITHIC AND NEOLITHIC OF RUMANIA IN A EUROPEAN CONTEXT -
    FRENCH - CHIRICA,V, MONAH,D.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P542-542.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       14 OF  30
 AU BORONEANT-V.
 TI NEW DATA ON ANTHROPOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES FROM SCHELA-CLADOVEI,
    DROBETA-TURNU SEVERIN (RUMANIA).
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P511-514.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       15 OF  30
 AU PELISEK-J.
 TI QUATERNARY SEDIMENTS IN THE AREA OF MAMAIA-SAT, RUMANIA, ON THE BLACK
    SEA SHORELINE.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P265-270.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       16 OF  30
 AU VALOCH-K.
 TI THE INDUSTRIES OF THE MIDDLE PALAEOLITHIC SITE MAMAIA-SAT (RUMANIA)
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P239-264.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       17 OF  30
 AU URBAN-W.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO JOURNAL-OF-BALTIC-STUDIES.  1993, FAL, V24, N3, P315-315.
    ISSN 0162-9778.
       18 OF  30
 AU PRADO-C.  GOMEZLOBO-P.
 TI ANTHROPOLOGY AS A PREDICTOR OF RISK FACTORS ON CARDIOVASCULAR
    DISEASES - ADOLESCENT PERIOD.
 SO COLLEGIUM-ANTROPOLOGICUM.  1993, DEC, V17, N2, P297-303.
    ISSN 0350-6134.
 AB ......
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    positive.  Spain is, together with RUMANIA, the European country
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    augmented.
       19 OF  30
 AU MICHELSON-PE.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY COLD
    WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO AMERICAN-HISTORICAL-REVIEW.  1993, DEC, V98, N5, P1577-1577.
    ISSN 0002-8762.
       20 OF  30
 AU KELLOGG-F.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, FAL, V52, N3, P612-613.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       21 OF  30
 AU KIRATZI-AA.
 TI ACTIVE DEFORMATION IN THE VRANCEA REGION, RUMANIA.
 SO PURE-AND-APPLIED-GEOPHYSICS.  1993, V140, N3, P391-402.
    ISSN 0033-4553.
       22 OF  30
 AU AVRAM-E.  SZASZ-L.  ANTONESCU-E.  BALTRES-A.  IVA-M.  MELINTE-M.
    NEAGU-T.  RADAN-S.  TOMESCU-C.
 TI CRETACEOUS TERRESTRIAL AND SHALLOW MARINE DEPOSITS IN NORTHERN
    SOUTH-DOBROGEA (SE RUMANIA).
 SO CRETACEOUS-RESEARCH.  1993, JUN, V14, N3, P265-305.
    ISSN 0195-6671.
       24 OF  30
 AU FISCHER-ME.
 TI 20TH-CENTURY RUMANIA - FISCHERGALATI,S.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, SPR, V52, N1, P139-140.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       25 OF  30
 AU CETERCHI-I.
 TI INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS OF TRANSITION IN RUMANIA.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, DEC, V23, N4, P89-126
    ISSN 0338-0599.
       26 OF  30
 AU SIMONIC-A.  VRHOVAC-B.
 TI CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY IN EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-JOURNAL-OF-CLINICAL-PHARMACOLOGY-THERAPY-AND-
    TOXICOLOGY.  1993, JUN, V31, N6, P301-308.
    ISSN 0174-4879.
 AB The current ...
    It is mainly basic in only a few
    countries (RUMANIA, Turkey,
       27 OF  30
 AU PEARTON-M.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO EUROPE-ASIA-STUDIES.  1993, V45, N3, P567-568.
    ISSN 0038-5859.
       28 OF  30
 AU LABARONNE-D.
 TI THE RUMANIAN ECONOMY IN TRANSITION TO A MARKET ECONOMY - ECONOMIC AND
    INSTITUTIONAL REFORMS.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, JUN-SEP, V23, N2-3,
    P105-136.
       29 OF  30
 AU BIRZEA-C.
 TI THE ISSUE OF POPULATION IN RUMANIA.
 SO INTERNATIONAL-REVIEW-OF-EDUCATION.  1993, MAR, V39, N1-2, P133-136
       30 OF  30
 AU VANEV-SG.  NEGREAN-G.
 TI RAMULARIA-BISCUTELIAE, SP-NOV.
 SO MYCOTAXON.  1993, JAN-MAR, V46, JAN-, P35-36.
 AB .......
       During taxonomic investigations of some undetermined Hyphomycetous
    specimens deposited in the Mycological Herbarium of the Institute of
    Biological Sciences, Bucharest, RUMANIA (BUCM),....

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In >  (5 ) writes:

>The point is that the practice is still going on. 

Is it?  Care to give some concrete examples which happened after '89?

>Besides, a lot of Hungarian
>peasants in Transylvania voluntarily "Romanized" before WWI and this is where
>most of the Hungarian-sounding names come from, such as Sabau, Covaci, Suteu, 
>Astalos,... , 

Nice try.  Most people bearing those names come from Romanian families
with a Hungarian ancestor, not from Hungarian families.  I have a friend,
Doru Chis, who is a very good example (he can't even tell who was the
Hungarian ancestor in his family).

This explains why you can find considerably more Szabo's, Kovacs's, Suto's
and Asztalos's than Sabau's, Covaci's, Suteu's and Astalos's.

BTW, I've read many times, in Romanian newspapers, that the real name of
Virgil Magureanu is Asztalos Imre (he's from Satu Mare).  Is he of
Hungarian origin, or...

>while I the effect of claimed "Magyarization" between 1940-1944
>is not that visible.

It didn't last long enough :-)  Most Romanians affected by that "claimed"
Magyarization have changed their names afterwards (even if this involved,
in some cases, court decisions).

Dan
--
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

In article > Fkemeny, 
writes:
>However, I am
>still not sure what the interest rates are on dollar-deposits would be.

It's not up-to-date interest rates on current account and on
deposits of different dutation (in months) becaseu it is the
12.aug 1995 data, but it used to change very little:

[switch to Courier font-type for the table]

BANK/$ i.rates  curr.    1 m       3 m      6 m     12  m 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
Agrobank        1        5.75      5.625    5.125   5.125
Bank Indosuez   1.5      4.83      4.83     4.93    4.83
BB              1        5 1/8     5 1/8    5 1/8   5 1/8
Creditanstalt   2.875    ---       ---      ---     ---
Dunabank        1.25     5.10      5.20     5.10    4.90
EKB             2.00     5.20      5.25     5.20    5.10
Hypo Bank       ---      ---       5        5 1/8   ---
IBUSZ Bank      1.50     5.000     5.125    5.125   5.188
Inter-Europa    2        4 7/8     4 7/8    5       5
Iparbankház     1 1/8    4 5/8     4 3/4    4 3/4   4 5/8
K&H             1        5 1/16    5 1/16   5 1/8   5 3/16
Konzumbank      1 1/4    5 1/8     5 1/8    5 1/4   5 1/4
Mezőbank        2        5 5/16    5 5/8    5 1/2   5 3/8
MHB             1        4 3/4     4 3/4    4 3/4   4 7/8
MKB             1        4 7/8     5        5       5.125
OTP             1        4 1/8     4 1/8    4 1/8   4 3/16
Polgári Bank    1        5         5        5       5
Postabank       1.00     5.00      4.85     5.05    5.15
Takarékbank     1        5         5        5       5 1/16
Volksbank       1.000    5.000     5.125    5.125   5.250
Westlb (Hung)   1        4.85      4.90     4.95    ---


I prefer the 1-month deposit. It is the best because of the
compound interest.

Tamas

In article >,  writes:
>I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624
>
>The Euphoria Tape
>
>Do The Euphoria Tape alone the first time, and then 
>with a lover. It's a phenomenon you will feel within
>the first 3 minutes of use -- what you feel the rest of
>the time is unbelievable.
>
>The Euphoria Tape.
>
>Not a drug, not a chemical, but an audio stimulation of 
>brain centers controlling pleasure. And agony. And ecstacy. 
>The buzz. An audio mesmer signal strokes the base of the 
>mind, choking out pain sensations and producing the violent 
>flow of... euphoria.
>
>The Euphoria Tape.
>

Angi, stop playing this tape before posting!

The following article is shows the double standard of the Clinton
Administration.

While the Clinton administration uses it whole weight to recover stolen
Jewish property in Europe, it uses the same wight to force Palestinians to
accept the stealing of more of their property by Zionism.

here is a question for all those apologists for Zionism out there in internet
land.  If jewish property is returned to its rightful owners, will you
return Palestinian property to its rightful owners the Palestinians?  After
all, it was Jewish property stolen in Europe that was one of the main
excuses for stealing Palestinian property in Palestine. 


The Times, London, September 18, 1995, Monday                           
                                                                              
  
Overseas news Page 13                                                          
                               
Jewish groups fight to recover communal property                      
                                                                               
 
By: Christopher Walker in Jerusalem                                         
                                                                              
  
                                                                     
    ISRAELI and international Jewish organizations, supported by
President Clinton, have launched a campaign to recover Jewish communal
property seized by the Nazis in Eastern and Central Europe before 1945
and estimated to be worth more than Pounds 1 billion.
                                                                              
  
    More than 14,000 properties, ranging from cemeteries to hospitals,
have been placed on a computer list in the Jerusalem headquarters of
the World Jewish Restitution Organization. Last week, Romania became
the first former member of the Soviet bloc to sign an official accord
for the restoration of communal properties once owned by Jews. The
campaign has been boosted by Mr Clinton's decision to appoint a
special envoy, Stuart Eizenstadt, to assist the operation, and by the
decision of the Swiss Bankers' Association to open an office to help
relatives of Nazi victims to recover cash in dormant accounts. So far,
Pounds 22 million has been found, but this has been described as ''the
tip of the iceberg''.
                                                                              
  
    ''In a few weeks we will be expanding our activities to cover
private properties seized from Jews. These include some 200,000 houses
in Poland alone,'' said Naphtalie Lavie, the former Israeli diplomat
masterminding the campaign. ''We will also be trying to secure the
return of priceless works of art from Moscow's Pushkin Museum and
elsewhere in Russia that were stolen from Jews by the Germans,'' Mr
Lavie said.
                                                                              
  
    The pledge of support from the White House was made in a letter to
the Jewish Organization on September 8. Mr Clinton wrote: ''As the
democracies of Europe and America seek to build a new and better world for 
the 21st century, we must confront, and, as best we can, right the terrible
injustices of the past.'' The President added: ''I know progress will
be neither easy nor simple.  Restitution of Jewish and non- Jewish
property unjustly seized during more than 50 years of war, occupation
and dictatorship is a complex and emotional subject. Each country's
situation is different and solutions may take different forms. But it
is important to have begun.''
                                                                       
    Among the 14,083 properties listed are orphanages, schools, old
people's homes, libraries, sports clubs, synagogues, rabbis'
residences, theaters and a building in the Polish town of Lodz
registered in 1906 as a ''Shelter for Battered Women''.

> ========================================================================
              AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF YOUNG HUNGARIANS
                 FIATAL MAGYAROK AMERIKAI EGYESULETE
> ========================================================================


                         1996 AAYH NATIONAL CONVENTION

                     http://www.aayh.org/events/conv96.html

                            January 12, 13, 14, 1996
                          New Brunswick, New Jersey
                      Hyatt Regency Hotel, New Brunswick 



THE NATIONAL CONVENTION
-----------------------

The annual national convention is the pivotal event of the AAYH year. 
Held on Martin Luther King's birthday each January, the convention has 
two parts. The AAYH holds its annual meeting.  Because discussion 
focuses on large and often controversial issues, debate is always lively. 
The AAYH also sponsors a host of presentations, lectures, group 
discussions, and workshops. The convention is usually a world-wind of 
activities, with participants choosing among casual group discussions, 
practical workshops, informal lectures, and intense meetings. 

PRICES/DEADLINES
----------------

MEMBERS:
Deadline for Reg. - Nov. 17, 1995 
(AAYH membership dues for 1996 must also be in by this date) 

     Single room - $250.00 ($83 per night) 
     Double room - $125.00 ($41 per night) 
     Triple room - $85.00 ($28 per night) 
     Quad room - $40.00 ($13 per night) 

Registrations postmarked after Nov. 17, 1995 must include a $10 per 
person late fee.

NON-MEMBERS:
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     Single room - $275 ($91 per night) 
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     Triple room - $100 ($33 per night) 
     Quad room - $45 ($15 per night) 

Non-Member registrations postmarked after Dec. 26, 1995 must include 
a $10 per person late fee.

Registration entitles participants to attend all functions associated 
with the National Convention including: Three nights accommodations at 
the Hyatt Regency Hotel in New Brunswick, Educational Workshops, 
Committee Meetings(excluding Nat. Comm. Meeting), Plenary Session, and 
of course, the wildest, hottest, biggest, Young Hungarian social event 
of the season, the Convention Party.

REGISTRATION
------------

You can register two ways online. If you have WWW access try
http://www.aayh.org/events/conv96.html or send email to  
. 

     Make checks payable to:
     AAYH - NATIONAL COMMITTEE
     P.O. BOX 574
     NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ 08903

Please include the following information:

1. Name
2. Address
3. Phone
4. E-mail
5. Affiliation (Member or Non-member)
6. Accomodations (Quad, Triple, Double or Single)
   * Let us know if you need to be matched with a roommate 

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Hi all,

We are a Dutch students-society and we are organizing a study-trip/holiday 
to Budapest. This will take place somewhere next year in April (during the 
Easter-holidays).We would like some information about the city. 
* How's the transportation system (metro, bus)
* Where is the nightlive (disco's, pubs, cafe's)
* How expensive is the nightlive (in US dollars or German Marks)
* What languages are spoken in Budapest (English, Deutsch)
* Culture, what buildings/musea are worth visiting
* Are there any multi-national firms in Budapest or close to the city

Thanks for your help,
Please e-mail me at: 

Hallo Leute,

Wir sind eine Hollandische studenten-verein und wir organisieren eine ferien/ 
studienreise nach Budapest. Dies ist irgendwo im nachsten jahr April (waehrend 
die Osterferien). Wir wollten gerne einige information/auskunft haben ueber 
die Stadt.
* Wie ist das offenbare transportsysteem (metro, bus)
* Wo ist das nachtleben (disco's, kafees)
* Welche sprache wurden gesprochen im Budapest (English, Deutsch)
* Welcher gebauden/museums sind ein besuch werth
* Sind einige multi-nationale firma's im Budapest oder herum Budapest

Danke fur ihre hilfe,
Bitte schreiben Sie an: 


> =========================================================================
* Philosophy stands in the same relation to the study of the actual 
  world as masturbation to sexual love.                        Karl Marx.
* I'm anal retentive. I'm a workaholic. I have insomnia. And I'm a
  control freak. That's why I'm not married. Who could stand me? Madonna.
> =========================================================================
 Patrick Roland de Raad                                
 Student Policy and Organizational Science               Hi Mom! Hi Dad!
 Tilburg University, The Netherlands
> =========================================================================

RE:
     To: /mail/am/am620                    Msg #: 5801      Size: 890/30
   From:  (Constantin Donea) On: 10/04/95  15:58
Subject: SCM: Euphoria Tape - It Really Works With Angi!
Reply-To: 

In article >,  writes:
>I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624
>
>The Euphoria Tape
>
>Do The Euphoria Tape alone the first time, and then
>with a lover. It's a phenomenon>the first 3 minutes of use -- what you feel th
e
>the time is unbelievable.
>
>The Euphoria Tape.>
>Not a drug, not a chemical, but an audio stimulation of
>brain centers controlling pleasure. And agony. And ecstacy.
>The buzz. An audio mesmer signal strokes the base of the
>mind, choking out pain sensations and producing the violent
>flow of... euphoria.
>
>The Euphoria Tape.
>

Angi, stop playing this tape before posting!

> --------------------------------------------
This guy --  (Constantin Donea) --
got castrated too!

Fewer Rumanians.  No wonder there are so few posts in SCR.

This is a great day for euphoria!

ROMANIAN EDUCATION LAW DISCUSSED IN BUDAPEST. A delegation from the
Hungarian Ministry of Culture and Education presented the Hungarian
parliament with its conclusions on the new Romanian education law, Radio
Bucharest reported on 2 October. The delegation, which paid a fact-
finding visit to Romania to study the effects of the law, concluded that
it gravely affected Romania's Hungarian minority. The report said that
the law hindered ethnic Hungarians from receiving vocational education
and created difficulties for Hungarian students seeking admission to
institutes of higher education in Romania. It added that in the long
run, the law may discourage the Hungarian minority from opting for
mother-tongue tuition at lower levels. -- Matyas Szabo

Hi all,

We are a Dutch students-society and we are organizing a study-trip/holiday 
to Budapest. This will take place somewhere next year in April (during the 
Easter-holidays).We would like some information about the city. 
* How's the transportation system (metro, bus)
* Where is the nightlive (disco's, pubs, cafe's)
* How expensive is the nightlive (in US dollars or German Marks)
* What languages are spoken in Budapest (English, Deutsch)
* Culture, what buildings/musea are worth visiting
* Are there any multi-national firms in Budapest or close to the city

Thanks for your help,
Please e-mail me at: 

Hallo Leute,

Wir sind eine Hollandische studenten-verein und wir organisieren eine ferien/ 
studienreise nach Budapest. Dies ist irgendwo im nachsten jahr April (waehrend 
die Osterferien). Wir wollten gerne einige information/auskunft haben ueber 
die Stadt.
* Wie ist das offenbare transportsysteem (metro, bus)
* Wo ist das nachtleben (disco's, kafees)
* Welche sprache wurden gesprochen im Budapest (English, Deutsch)
* Welcher gebauden/museums sind ein besuch werth
* Sind einige multi-nationale firma's im Budapest oder herum Budapest

Danke fur ihre hilfe,
Bitte schreiben Sie an: 

 

> =========================================================================
* Philosophy stands in the same relation to the study of the actual 
  world as masturbation to sexual love.                        Karl Marx.
* I'm anal retentive. I'm a workaholic. I have insomnia. And I'm a
  control freak. That's why I'm not married. Who could stand me? Madonna.
> =========================================================================
 Patrick Roland de Raad                                
 Student Policy and Organizational Science               Hi Mom! Hi Dad!
 Tilburg University, The Netherlands
> =========================================================================

FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5769) From:am620(Tom Angi)
FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5730) From:am620(Tom Angi)
FORWARDED FROM: /mail/am/am620(#5706) From:(Liviu Iordac
h
e)
From: Matthew Peter Muresan

>Yes, up to the late 1950s, the generally accepted
>spelling was Rumania[...] It was even in line with the
>way many (less educated probably) Romanians have called
>themselves for centuries ("rumi^n" -- just think of some
>ballads and other such folklore).

You might not be exactly correct here. What was the
spelling used by boyar Neacsu of Cimpulung, most
certainly one of the educated Romanians of the 16th
century?

Tseara ruma~neasca~!!!

How about the famous Prof.Nae Ionescu? What was the
spelling stressed in the columns of his 1930s newspaper
"Cuvintul?"

Not Roma^n, but Ruma^n!!!

>let alone the conspicuous and undeniable roman origins
>of the Romanian nation.

Yes, but as far as linguistic is concerned "Romanian" is
derived from "romanus" via "ruma~n" and not the other way
around. The evolutionary path, as correctly as it can be
reconstructed, is

romanus-->ruma~n-->rumi^n-->roma^n

Therefore, none of the above spellings contradicts the
Latin roots of the Romanian language. As a matter of
fact, I'm not aware of any theory that denies the Latin
roots of Romanians.

>That said, the one true measure of the generally
>accepted spelling of any word is the way it shows in
>scholarly works, in news magazines, and in dailies.  I
>can testify based on a great number of books ...
>agree on Romania as the correct spelling.  In fact, a
>NEXIS search [...] never returned Rumania as a response.

Well, my search speaks the contrary (see Appendix). Let's
stress here that many of the authors that still use the
English spelling "Rumania" are Romanians, working
currently in Romania, or researchers from abroad highly
trained in matters concerning Romanian history and,
therefore, aware of many of the Romanian nationalistic
phobias.

>Finally, I am not willing (and honestly hope that nobody
>else is either) to embark upon fighting any argument
>that would assert that the Daco-Roman continuity is
>bogus.  I think arguments in favour of that abound in
>such a fashion that denying said continuity is akin to
>saying that the Holocaust hasn't taken place.

Yeah, whatever... And the most categoric argument is the
spelling "Romania," isn't it? Anyhow I must have missed
something here. What is the connection between the Latin
origin of Romanian, the Holocaust, and the so-called
"Daco-Roman(ian)" theory? Not that I really care for an
answer, but I find your reasoning quite charming.

According to an ancient Chinese document, the Moon is
made up of green cheese. Denying this is like saying that
our Hungarian fellows are in no way related to Attila.

Liviu Iordache

Appendix

 SEARCH QUERY:
 RUMANIA
        1 OF  30
 AU CROMEN-E.  GREGORI-I.  SCHASHER-A.
 TI RUMANIA UNDERGOING RADICAL CHANGE - PROSPECTS AND PROBLEMS REGARDING
    EUROPEAN INTEGRATION - GERMAN - GREGORI,I, SCHASER,A.
 SO POLITISCHE-VIERTELJAHRESSCHRIFT.  1995, JUN, V36, N2, P319-327.
    ISSN 0032-3470.
        2 OF  30
 AU SARINGER-G.  TAKACS-A.
 TI BIOLOGY AND CONTROL OF TANYMECUS-DILATICOLLIS GYLL (COL,
    CURCULIONIDAE).
 SO ACTA-PHYTOPATHOLOGICA-ET-ENTOMOLOGICA-HUNGARICA.  1994, V29, N1-2,
    P173-185.
    ISSN 0238-1249.
 AB T. dilaticollis has long been a member of the Hungarian fauna, but
    publication on its damage only appeared in 1952.  In South-Eastern
    European countries first of all in Rumania, ......
        3 OF  30
 AU LANTERMANN-ED.  HANZE-M.
 TI VALUES AND MATERIAL SUCCESS OF RESETTLERS.
 SO ZEITSCHRIFT-FUR-SOZIALPSYCHOLOGIE.  1995, V26, N1, P15-23.
    ISSN 0044-3514.
 AB A causal two-step model for the development ....
    ....The model was
    tested with a structural equation model on the basis of interview
    data from 239 resettler families from Poland, ROUMANIA...
        4 OF  30
 AU PETKOVSKI-S.
 TI ON THE PRESENCE OF THE GENUS TANYMASTIX SIMON, 1886 (CRUSTACEA,
    ANOSTRACA) IN MACEDONIA.
 SO HYDROBIOLOGIA.  1995, FEB 24, V298, N1-3, P307-313.
    ISSN 0018-8158.
 AB The genus Tanymastix Simon, 1886 is represented in Macedonia by two
    species: Tanymastix stagnalis (Linnaeus, 1758) and Tanymastix motasi
    Orghidan, 1945. ... In
    T. motasi, the original description of the species, hitherto known
    only for the Giurgiu Region in RUMANIA, is supplemented by additional
    diagnostic characteristics.
        5 OF  30
 AU TEPPNER-H.  KLEIN-E.  DRESCHER-A.  ZAGULSKIJ-M.
 TI NIGRITELLA-CARPATICA (ORCHIDACEAE ORCHIDEAE) - A RELIC ENDEMIC OF THE
    EASTERN CARPATHIANS - TAXONOMY, DISTRIBUTION, KARYOLOGY AND
    EMBRYOLOGY.
 SO PHYTON-ANNALES-REI-BOTANICAE.  1994, V34, N2, P169+.
    ISSN 0079-2047.
 AB Nigritella carpatica (Zapalowicz) Teppner, Klein & Zagulskij, comb.
    nova, is described in full detail.....
    The species is endemic in the northwestern
    part of the East Carpathian Mountains and is known from six locations
    (in RUMANIA and the Ukraine)...
        6 OF  30
 AU PFISTER-T.  WEGMULLER-U.
 TI UPPER MARINE MOLASSE, MIDDLE BURDIGALIAN NEAR BERNE, SWITZERLAND .1.
    PALAEOTAXODONTA AND PTERIOMORPHIA PRO-PARTE.
 SO ECLOGAE-GEOLOGICAE-HELVETIAE.  1994, V87, N3, P895-973.
    ISSN 0012-9402.
 AB The rich and diverse macrofauna of the Belpbergschichten
    ......... The location of the area at the transition
    from the Central Paratethys (E-Bavaria to Ukraine and RUMANIA)
        7 OF  30
 AU NASCU-HI.  COMSULEA-DI.  NIAC-G.
 TI THE DISTRIBUTION OF INORGANIC ELEMENTS BETWEEN COAL AND MINERAL
    MATTER IN RUMANIAN LIGNITE.
 SO FUEL.  1995, JAN, V74, N1, P119-123.
    ISSN 0016-2361.
        8 OF  30
 AU BOHM-H.
 TI A BACH ACADEMY IN RUMANIA.
 SO MUSIK-UND-KIRCHE.  1994, SEP-OCT, V64, N5, P303-303.
    ISSN 0027-4771.
        9 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVONIC-AND-EAST-EUROPEAN-REVIEW.  1994, JUL, V72, N3, P562-563.
    ISSN 0037-6795.
       10 OF  30
 AU LAZARESCU-M.  ARDELEANU-V.  JIANU-A.
 TI STUDY ON THE REACTIVE PSYCHOSIS OCCURRED DURING THE REVOLUTION OF
    DECEMBER 1989 - TIMISOARA, RUMANIA.
 SO EUROPEAN-JOURNAL-OF-PSYCHIATRY.  1993, OCT-DEC, V7, N4, P219-228.
    ISSN 0213-6163.
       11 OF  30
 AU DELETANT-D.
 TI RUMANIA, 1866-1947 - HITCHINS,K.
 SO TLS-THE-TIMES-LITERARY-SUPPLEMENT.  1994, JUL 22, N4764, P26-26.
    ISSN 0307-661X.
       12 OF  30
 AU SNEDEKER-DC.
 TI NATIONALISM AND THE MILITARY IN THE 1990S - THE UNIQUE CASE OF
    RUMANIA.
 SO HISTORY-OF-EUROPEAN-IDEAS.  1994, MAR, V18, N2, P241-254.
    ISSN 0191-6599.
       13 OF  30
 AU PERPERE-M.
 TI THE PALEOLITHIC AND NEOLITHIC OF RUMANIA IN A EUROPEAN CONTEXT -
    FRENCH - CHIRICA,V, MONAH,D.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P542-542.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       14 OF  30
 AU BORONEANT-V.
 TI NEW DATA ON ANTHROPOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES FROM SCHELA-CLADOVEI,
    DROBETA-TURNU SEVERIN (RUMANIA).
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P511-514.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       15 OF  30
 AU PELISEK-J.
 TI QUATERNARY SEDIMENTS IN THE AREA OF MAMAIA-SAT, RUMANIA, ON THE BLACK
    SEA SHORELINE.
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P265-270.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       16 OF  30
 AU VALOCH-K.
 TI THE INDUSTRIES OF THE MIDDLE PALAEOLITHIC SITE MAMAIA-SAT (RUMANIA)
 SO ANTHROPOLOGIE.  1993, V97, N2-3, P239-264.
    ISSN 0003-5521.
       17 OF  30
 AU URBAN-W.
 TI THE GREAT-POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO JOURNAL-OF-BALTIC-STUDIES.  1993, FAL, V24, N3, P315-315.
    ISSN 0162-9778.
       18 OF  30
 AU PRADO-C.  GOMEZLOBO-P.
 TI ANTHROPOLOGY AS A PREDICTOR OF RISK FACTORS ON CARDIOVASCULAR
    DISEASES - ADOLESCENT PERIOD.
 SO COLLEGIUM-ANTROPOLOGICUM.  1993, DEC, V17, N2, P297-303.
    ISSN 0350-6134.
 AB ......
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    positive.  Spain is, together with RUMANIA, the European country
    where the morbi-mortality due to cardiovascular diseases has most
    augmented.
       19 OF  30
 AU MICHELSON-PE.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY COLD
    WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO AMERICAN-HISTORICAL-REVIEW.  1993, DEC, V98, N5, P1577-1577.
    ISSN 0002-8762.
       20 OF  30
 AU KELLOGG-F.
 TI THE GREAT POWERS AND RUMANIA, 1944-1946 - A STUDY OF THE EARLY
    COLD-WAR ERA - SAIU,L.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, FAL, V52, N3, P612-613.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       21 OF  30
 AU KIRATZI-AA.
 TI ACTIVE DEFORMATION IN THE VRANCEA REGION, RUMANIA.
 SO PURE-AND-APPLIED-GEOPHYSICS.  1993, V140, N3, P391-402.
    ISSN 0033-4553.
       22 OF  30
 AU AVRAM-E.  SZASZ-L.  ANTONESCU-E.  BALTRES-A.  IVA-M.  MELINTE-M.
    NEAGU-T.  RADAN-S.  TOMESCU-C.
 TI CRETACEOUS TERRESTRIAL AND SHALLOW MARINE DEPOSITS IN NORTHERN
    SOUTH-DOBROGEA (SE RUMANIA).
 SO CRETACEOUS-RESEARCH.  1993, JUN, V14, N3, P265-305.
    ISSN 0195-6671.
       24 OF  30
 AU FISCHER-ME.
 TI 20TH-CENTURY RUMANIA - FISCHERGALATI,S.
 SO SLAVIC-REVIEW.  1993, SPR, V52, N1, P139-140.
    ISSN 0037-6779.
       25 OF  30
 AU CETERCHI-I.
 TI INSTITUTIONAL PROBLEMS OF TRANSITION IN RUMANIA.
 SO REVUE-D-ETUDES-COMPARATIVES-EST-OUEST.  1992, DEC, V23, N4, P89-126
    ISSN 0338-0599.
       26 OF  30
 AU SIMONIC-A.  VRHOVAC-B.
 TI CLINICAL PHARMACOLOGY IN EASTERN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES.
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szeretnek tajekozodni, hogy ki foglalkozik ma magyarorszagon 
a virtuailis realitassal (akar szoftver, akar hardver, akar elmelet).
ezert kerem, hogy aki BARMIT tud a dologrol, az dobjon fel nekem egy e-mailt.
elore is koszonettel:
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